He Ate A Quart Of Ice Cream Every Night And Here’s What Happened Next

Eva (00:00):
Today's edition of ADHD Lady reviews your website.

 

Mike (00:03):
I love it. I love it. Well, we'll continue adding to it too.

 

Kami (00:10):
Whoo.

 

Mike (00:10):
We actually just put on DNA testing.

 

Kami (00:11):
You got a peptide for ADHD. You got something that's going to calm me down and speed me up at the same time? Is that -

 

Mike (00:17):
Well, the FDA hasn't approved that yet.

 

Kami (00:19):
Ugh.

 

Eva (00:23):
Okay. So I see you're wearing new dreads today. What's up?

 

Kami (00:26):
So these are my Halloween colors. I'm going to be a gypsy this year, so I decided to put in all these dark blues and greens and reds and purples. So I'm living on the dark side or I'm embracing my dark side this month. And I got all these Halloweeny headbands. That's all I could do.

 

Eva (00:50):
And we have a special guest today, if you had noticed yet. Hello, Mike.

 

Kami (00:53):
Hello, Michael. How's it going?

 

Mike (00:54):
No special dreads here. It's going well. It's good to be on the show.

 

Kami (00:57):
It's okay. You can still hang with us. It's fine.

 

Eva (00:59):
What will you be for Halloween?

 

Mike (01:00):
What am I going to be for Halloween?

 

Eva (01:02):
Yeah.

 

Mike (01:02):
I'll be hiding upstairs watching a movie.

 

Kami (01:06):
Perfect.

 

Eva (01:06):
Old hermit man.

 

Kami (01:08):
Yep.

 

Mike (01:08):
That's about it.

 

Kami (01:10):
My husband will be right with you.

 

Eva (01:12):
My husband has one costume, lumberjack, in which he puts on a shirt that is already in his closet that looks like a lumberjack shirt.

 

Kami (01:20):
I mean, lumberjack, that's kind of sexy, right?

 

Mike (01:22):
That's solid. You can get away with that.

 

Eva (01:25):
He technically is a third generation lumberjack, so really -

 

Kami (01:29):
This is not a stretch?

 

Eva (01:30):
It's not. He's just being himself.

 

Kami (01:32):
Perfect.

 

Mike (01:33):
Isn't the idea for Halloween to be something that you're not though?

 

Kami (01:36):
You know, that's what I do. So I'm always like, I'm going to be like Medusa or a fairy. I was Medusa last year. It was pretty slick. It was awesome. But yeah, I mean, I do kind of think that is the point.

 

Eva (01:50):
What about, what's Kordelia going to be?

 

Kami (01:53):
She's going to be Louise from Bob's Burgers.

 

Mike (01:56):
Wow. That's specific.

 

Kami (02:06):
Okay. Do I have to unpack the story now a little bit? All right. So she loves this show and she continually watches it on repeat. And she's like me. I like to have the TV on in the background, even though I'm not really watching it. I'm just doing whatever. And she wants to play with all of her stuff or do her artwork or whatever. This is the show that she likes to have. And so she's obsessed with Louise because Louise is nine years old and she's nine years old now and that is what she wanted to be. So we got her the bunny ears and the green dress and the whole thing and she's going to look amazing.

 

Eva (02:40):
Okay. Well, pictures next time are gonna happen.

 

Kami (02:43):
Yeah. So what about you girl?

 

Eva (02:45):
Well, I'm going to be Glenda, but the children, one of our best friends has decided to have her birthday party on Halloween and then we're going to trick or treat in her neighborhood.

 

Kami (02:55):
That sounds fun.

 

Eva (02:56):
It took me a solid month to convince my kids it was okay not to trick or treat in our own neighborhood.

 

Kami (03:02):
Oh, because that's what they do. Yeah.

 

Eva (03:05):
These are really difficult choices for kids. She didn't want to be in our neighborhood. Our neighborhood does a great job with Halloween. So they finally relented. And so then our friend's mom who she used to work in Hollywood, she's over the top on everything. She said she was going to be Elphaba because she already had the costume from last year, but didn't get to use it. And so do I have a pink dress and would I be Glenda? And I was like, I do.

 

Kami (03:36):
Oh, stop it. You low-key love it. Stop it right now.

 

Eva (03:40):
I have the dress. I got it at the thrift store for free because I brought in a bunch of stuff and she traded me and brought it home for the kids. And I'm so, so much smaller now that I can actually fit into this dress. Yay. So yeah, last time we talked about how I had that moment in spirit Halloween where I was like, I can actually buy costumes except for the inflatable dinosaur that always would've fit. I forgot about that. Or the minion, the inflatable minion.

 

Kami (04:12):
Yeah. Nice.

 

Eva (04:14):
Don't have to hide.

 

Kami (04:16):
Well, that's exciting. I can actually do it. I'm really looking forward to it. We go up to my girlfriend's house up in, I don't know if anyone's familiar with the Indianapolis area, but we go up to Westfield, just beautiful area, booming buildings, lots of new construction homes. And she lives in this super nice neighborhood where they hand out full size candy bars and she's now known as the Jello Shot house because when the kids come, she hands out all the candy to the kids. And if mom and dad want jello shots, then she gives them out. It's pretty great.

 

Eva (04:50):
We got that house. It's like five houses up from our house at the beginning of the route.

 

Kami (04:55):
I got so, so hammered the last time I was there. Literally.

 

Eva (04:59):
You're supposed to keep going. You're not supposed to stay at the jello shot house.

 

Kami (05:04):
Well, that's my girlfriend's house. We were just all partying and I was like, oh yeah. And she's like, try this wine. And I'm like, okay. And I'm like, yellow jello shot. You know what I mean? Just the evening got away from me and then I had to stay the night. I was like, Hey Kordelia, you want to have a sleepover at Laurie's? Yeah, because there's 17 kids there. You know what I mean? And since we're on the story, we may as well just go ahead and unpack it all, but I just violently vomited in the bathroom. We're talking -

 

Eva (05:33):
Speaking of vomiting.

 

Kami (05:36):
So her husband -

 

Mike (05:38):
That's a good segue.

 

Eva (05:40):
Yeah. Her husband what?

 

Kami (05:42):
Her husband was the sweetest guy and apparently cleaned everything up that I didn't get cleaned.

 

Mike (05:48):
Oh

 

Kami (05:49):
Oh no. I was like, Ryan, did you... I was like, I got everything right. And he's like,You're fine though. It's all good. I was like, get you a man who will clean up your best friend's barf. I mean, that's all I'm saying.

 

Eva (06:04):
He's a keeper.

 

Kami (06:05):
Oh, for sure. He's amazing.

 

Mike (06:06):
There are so many things.

 

Eva (06:08):
Have not had school for the last two days.

 

Mike (06:10):
So many things I could add to this conversation.

 

Kami (06:12):
Poor Mike did not know what he was getting himself into.

 

Mike (06:15):
No, this is good.

 

Eva (06:15):
He kind of did.

 

Kami (06:16):
A little bit. This is good. All right.

 

Eva (06:18):
Yeah. We've been home for the last two days because the barfing ripped through the whole school. There's so many kids barfing that they just canceled school. They were like,

 

Kami (06:27):
No, the whole thing?

 

Eva (06:29):
The whole thing. The whole thing. So we were off yesterday and today, and they had it yesterday. So Ellie woke me up at 2:30 in the morning and said, "I don't feel so good, mom." And so I went high alert, like, "Go get a barf bag, jump up." But I'm also 50, so I went to the bathroom first. And while I was in the bathroom, she came in like this.

 

Kami (06:52):
Oh no.

 

Eva (06:54):
I said, "Sink, sink." So she barfed in the sink and then it wouldn't drain.

 

Mike (06:59):
Been there.

 

Kami (07:01):
Oh my God. So I have to add to that. That literal exact same thing happened to me, but with my cat.

 

Eva (07:12):
Oh, what?

 

Kami (07:15):
He was in the bed with us and he's making this weird noise and licking his mouth and stuff. And I looked over at him and I was like, "Oh no." The second I picked him up, he's heaving and I could get just as far as the bathroom sink and I held him over the sink.

 

Eva (07:33):
Cat barf in the sink.

 

Mike (07:36):
Better than somewhere else.

 

Eva (07:37):
And it wouldn't drain?

 

Mike (07:39):
So maybe it wasn't better than the world.

 

Kami (07:40):
So I had to run all the hot water and plunge it. Oh yeah. It was great.

 

Eva (07:45):
In the middle of the night?

 

Kami (07:46):
No, this was not, okay, no. You won for the 2:00 AM. No, this was in the afternoon.

 

Eva (07:51):
I didn't clean it up to be clear here. I just went back to bed.

 

Kami (07:56):
You're like beep that business.

 

Eva (07:58):
I just went, never mind. Don't go in the bathroom, anybody.

 

Kami (08:07):
Oh my God.

 

Eva (08:09):
So I had to stay up with her. We were up watching Bluey until four in the morning. And my other daughter woke up and came out and she was just wide awake, three o'clock in the morning. And then they slept kind of on and off all day yesterday. And today they're at the indoor water park because why not?

 

Kami (08:28):
Why not?

 

Eva (08:29):
Right.

 

Mike (08:30):
Chlorine kills a lot of things.

 

Eva (08:32):
It does.

 

Kami (08:33):
Thank God for that.

 

Eva (08:34):
I said that a lot of times during COVID, even though they were wearing masks at the swimming pool. Doesn't chlorine kill everything?

 

Kami (08:41):
Yeah.

 

Eva (08:43):
What are you doing here, Mike? Why have we invited you to the show today?

 

Mike (08:48):
Well, I have no idea because I look at myself every day and I say -

 

Kami (08:52):
This is a random stranger that we found. We're like, "You're a cute guy. Come talk to us."

 

Mike (08:57):
That's like the question I asked myself. Here we are Mike, what are we going to do today? What are we doing? What are we doing? I have no idea.

 

Eva (09:04):
For anyone who's listened to the show before, I know Mike because we've been friends for a long time through church, but also his wife Jenny, I think I met Jenny before you met her. I think that -

 

Mike (09:17):
Probably.

 

Eva (09:18):
I've known Jenny longer than you've been married, but Jenny's been doing my laser treatments for well over a decade. What year did you meet her?

 

Mike (09:27):
2016.

 

Eva (09:30):
Okay. So yeah, I have known you longer than Jenny. I win. I win that too. And he also has been on weight loss meds and we've never actually talked to a dude about being on GLP-1s, but we've got one here to talk to. And then he also is our partner on the website, and so we wanted him to tell us a little bit about what's been going on with the website and where we're at with that.

 

Mike (09:54):
Yeah. Yeah. And in all fairness to the industry, I'm no expert in these things. I'm certainly not a medical professional. I'm somebody who's... I saw the benefits through people I know well of GLPs. And after we had our eight-year-old son now, he's now eight year old. I was carrying baby weight after that and I just didn't lose weight after that. And I had a massive, massive sweet tooth, like half gallon a day ice cream. I could just crush that stuff. I felt normal after a while, but then it started catching up to me and I was like, I feel hung over the next day. Plus I was 30 pounds, 40 pounds heavier. I was like, "What is going on?"

 

Kami (10:41):
So you were having sugar hangovers?

 

Mike (10:43):
Oh, no joke. And I'm coming to this -

 

Kami (10:44):
I don't know if I've ever done enough sugar to have a sugar hangover. That is wild.

 

Mike (10:50):
Here's the thing is I was really good at having a regular hangover too for a lot of years. So I come at it from... I mean, previous life was heavy into the beer world and all that sort of thing. And so when I got out of that world, I was like, "Well, what now?" And so I got in shape.

 

Kami (11:06):
Ice cream. That's what it was.

 

Mike (11:08):
I knew well enough to stay away.

 

Eva (11:10):
I replaced cigarettes with ice cream. I totally did the same thing.

 

Mike (11:14):
At first, I knew well enough to stay away because I knew that it was a massive sweet tooth. You take beer away or booze away and all of a sudden you got a massive sweet tooth. And I think a lot of people struggle with that. And that can tie also into the GLP conversation because I know that is curbed, but I don't want to get too far off the path. So through that, I was watching GLP's work in my wife's world. They started offering some weight loss programs where she worked and I thought, "Well, what's this all about?" And that was back early in the days and got on Ozempic and saw massive improvements in my life right away. And that'd have been 23, I think, 2023. And so kind of dabbled back and forth and then also saw improvements in people I know well and their gut health and other things starting to improve in people's lives through not only peptides, but just in wellness in general.

 

(12:17):
And so I got really interested in the wellness world and was working in the corporate practice of medicine by... I've always been on that side of things. I've never been a medical practitioner, but I'm fascinated by all of it. And through all that, it kind of led me to, well, what opportunities are there in peptides and how can I find reliable sourcing in all of this? And then how can I help others with resources in not only landing their own program at home, but helping wade through the telehealth world? There's lots of opportunities out there. I'm certainly not providing a unique service. There's tons of them out there, but what we like to do is offer something that's going to be solid and easy to work through. So we kind of, in a lot of ways, waded through the muck of putting together the pieces and it hasn't always been an easy, smooth path, but I think we're here now and being partners with you gals on this show.

 

Kami (13:18):
Super excited about it.

 

Mike (13:19):
We see the opportunity in it. And so yeah, that's how I ended up on this side of the microphone.

 

Kami (13:26):
Yay. Yay. And just to fill people in, we're talking about Mike's website, which is EpicTRX, Epix.

 

Mike (13:37):
E-P-I-X-T-R-X.com. Yes. And you can also reach it through epixnxt.com. So it sounds like Epic's next, but it's epixnxt.com.

 

Kami (13:48):
Yes.

 

Eva (13:49):
I also made it super easy. A couple days ago, I discovered that I could make lessofyou.com/shop and it would point you straight to...

 

Kami (13:57):
Ooh, yay.

 

Eva (13:59):
So we don't even have to remember the X's, the T's, the Rs and the X's.

 

Mike (14:02):
No.

 

Eva (14:03):
You can just go to lessofyou.com/shop.

 

Mike (14:06):
And if you want to know how we got that name for that website, it's because it was available and there's not many good names, short names that are available.

 

Kami (14:14):
No, I actually really like it. I mean, because it's unique, but it's still short and it's... Yeah, I like it. And you still can use our code less of you10 to get 10% off.

 

Eva (14:27):
You can't.

 

Kami (14:28):
What?

 

Mike (14:29):
Well, we're getting there.

 

Eva (14:31):
It'll be back.

 

Mike (14:32):
It's one of the last hurdles.

 

Kami (14:33):
See, they don't tell me anything you guys.

 

Eva (14:34):
I didn't know.

 

Mike (14:36):
No, that's on me.

 

Kami (14:38):
Okay. So let's launch into what is going on since I've just opened that can of worms.

 

Mike (14:43):
One of the partners we partnered with originally made things like that very easy where we had software available to us where we controlled certain aspects like promo codes. And you'll see promo codes with affiliates and all that kind of stuff all throughout this industry where people are pushing, especially on the for research use only side of things, you'll see people with promo codes and selling and making money on that kind of stuff. On the telehealth side, there are different providers that connect you with pharmacies and with the technology to do everything and run the backend for you. And what you do is you sort of buy in and you promote things with opportunities like this where you talk to people who are good people and you try to make things easy for them. That's what we are doing. But when we went with our current partner, someone who we're going to stay with for a long time, it's LegUpRx, they don't currently have a way to promote an affiliate.

 

(15:41):
And so we're working on that. I'm sorry, if you type me in a note or talk to one of these gals through the website or however we work that, I'm going to try to make everything as easy as possible. I can guarantee you that I'm pushing and we're working together with LegUpRx to get that code. LegUpRx works with us as our partner to connect the pharmacies and all that sort of stuff. So this is -

 

Eva (16:04):
But didn't I make you bring the price as low as humanly possible the other day to get around this?

 

Mike (16:11):
We did. Yeah. And so that is built in. I mean, it's quietly built in. And so if you go out and go through the telehealth uptake and all that kind of stuff, you'll see the pricing for everything we offer. And I believe we're actually very competitive. I know it's set to the lowest possible range we can get and not be giving it away or at a loss at least.

 

Kami (16:32):
Yeah.

 

Mike (16:33):
Yeah.

 

Kami (16:34):
Well, that's really good. I'm glad you guys got a better partner because we did have some people that are like, "Well, we're trying to order and we can't do it." You know what I mean? And things were sideways and stuff like that. So I do appreciate that you hopped on that right away. And I will just tell you, just from my own personal experience, response times through email was phenomenal. Mike, you were just really on top of it when I was like, "Well, I tried to do this and that didn't work. I don't even remember what happened at this point." You know what I mean?

 

Mike (17:01):
No, thank you.

 

Kami (17:02):
All I remember walking away was the level of customer service was excellent.

 

Eva (17:09):
Truthfully, the data... I spent five years surveying people and I learned something really important there, which was people are totally understanding when you have problems and their satisfaction actually goes up if you have a problem and solve it. They're happier than if you never had a problem at all, which is really funny.

 

Kami (17:28):
Isn't that weird?

 

Eva (17:28):
So then I'd be like, "Well, we should just cause problems and fix them." No, no.

 

Mike (17:34):
No, That was not my strategy in this because -

 

Kami (17:37):
That wasn't what you were going for, Mike? Weird.

 

Mike (17:41):
No. I mean, I wanted to put my head through these walls after a number of times. And I mean, seriously, it was so frustrating.

 

Kami (17:49):
And we did talk about that because I do believe, Eva, we were talking about it. He was like, "Yeah, Mike's just besides himself." And I was like, "Well, it just shit happens. You know what I mean? We're all human."

 

Mike (17:59):
Years back, there was a point in my life where I was driving hard business guy wanting to be just, "You got to perform the way that I'm going to perform, blah, blah." I'm not that guy anymore. And I gave all that up.

 

Eva (18:09):
Then you had a child.

 

Mike (18:11):
Yeah, exactly.

 

Kami (18:12):
And things changed.

 

Mike (18:14):
And so I just want to do business with people who are good people and just tell me what you're going to do and do it. And I want to do the same thing. And when I rely on people and they fail me and then I fail others, it's the most frustrating thing. And I can only imagine what it's like on the other side because people are expecting things to be right and they're not, and it's so frustrating.

 

Eva (18:31):
I do believe the solution to that would be never use software.

 

Kami (18:37):
Oh boy. Okay.

 

Mike (18:40):
Yeah.

 

Eva (18:41):
Right?

 

Mike (18:41):
Yeah.

 

Kami (18:41):
Yeah.

 

Eva (18:42):
It's bad. And I have a theory right now that the developers, because the developer world has been really ahead on AI for so long, they were into it. It was built by them, kind of for them in the beginning, that a lot of them are so far ahead now that they've been building stuff and releasing stuff and the humans are like, "What is happening?" We finally just got the consequences of all this development almost all at once across everything we use. So I don't know. Have you guys been seeing that? Stuff just doesn't work.

 

Mike (19:15):
Well, what I'm finding, if I could, I'm sorry Kami, I didn't mean to jump on you.

 

Kami (19:18):
No, No, No. You go.

 

Mike (19:19):
But through this process, there's been this veil that's been pulled back entirely where people were telling me it's almost like a shell game being played. And no, we told you that. And just being gaslit, I now know truly what it's like to be gaslit by people. And so then once you pull it back on them, you're like, "Well, wait a minute. I'm going to take this out of your hands and I'm going to learn how to do this myself because you know what? You're not some genius developer. You're a guy that uses the same app that I use in Claude or whatever other, and I can type the stuff in the same way you can and I can figure it out." And so that's what I was forced to do in a lot of these situations. And not that I'm developing these softwares, but I at least found solutions that are now working and I don't need to rely on someone who's claiming to be this expert anyway.

 

Kami (20:07):
Yeah.

 

Mike (20:08):
Yeah.

 

Kami (20:08):
We hear you. I'm really cautious about it. I'm excited about the AI thing and software development and all that stuff, but I'm like, "Okay, what would Sarah Connor think?" She's rolling over in her grave right now.

 

Eva (20:27):
I just saw a post about her.

 

Kami (20:29):
I do think about like, "Oh my God, this is Skynet's here, the umbrella corporation, we're going down." I'm not obviously really spinning out, but it is kind of in the back of my mind when I type up a really shitty text message and I have to run that through ChatGPT to not sound like a bitch. Totally did that the other day and I'm like, "This is how it starts. Oh, there she is. There's my girl."

 

Eva (20:58):
I did see a post the other day where someone saw her at the grocery store and took a picture of her back while she was checking out the store and they were all like, "Is that her? Yeah, it's really her. She goes to the grocery store."

 

Mike (21:09):
It makes you appreciate face-to-face.

 

Kami (21:12):
Totally.

 

Mike (21:13):
I mean, at least for me, because there's real world experience and there's stuff you can type in and you can Google search or you could do whatever. I mean, that's what it used to be. I mean, it used to be you could YouTube anything and learn anything, but do you really know it? And so anyway, getting back to this world, I guess if I could... What I've found is that there are solid paths forward and easy ways to go if you want to do something from home in an easy way. There's lots of websites out there. We wanted to provide one of them that kind of puts the pieces together.

 

Kami (21:50):
Yeah. I like it. I like how the design is nice. The color scheme's really easy to look at. It's not overwhelming or too simple. You kind of got, as far as the design of it, really right in the middle of -

 

Eva (22:08):
This is today's edition of ADHD Lady Reviews Your Website.

 

Mike (22:12):
I love it. I love it. Well, we actually... We'll continue adding to it too. We actually just put on DA testing.

 

Kami (22:20):
I got a peptide for ADHD. You got something that's going to calm me down and speed me up at the same time. Is that -

 

Mike (22:26):
Well, the FDA hasn't approved that yet, but they're out there. They're out there. So we did just add -

 

Kami (22:34):
So speaking of what... I'm sorry.

 

Mike (22:37):
No, go ahead.

 

Kami (22:37):
I'm just going to launch into something else. So I was looking... Here, this is just how we go. So while on your website, I went to the learn tab. Okay. And I'm going to go on it to right now so I can kind of look at... All right. So it does talk about, and you've got these several different little articles, six-minute read, eight minute read. I love it. The one that popped out to me personally is the NAD+. Can you talk to me about what that does? And I know, keep in mind, you're not a doctor, medical professional, and you're a business guy, right? But you got to know a little bit about what this does and what the benefits are and that kind of stuff because that's one that I was like... I don't know if you saw her Instagram post. I was like, "Yeah.

 

(23:35):
So I'm looking at this. I think this NAD+ is for me." And I said the number one... Oh, what was it? I said, "The number one thing I'm looking for, it would be cognitive support." And she's like, "Oh yeah, you need that." I'm like, "What?"

 

Mike (23:54):
That's a compliment.

 

Eva (23:56):
You tee me right up for that.

 

Kami (23:57):
Oh my God. I did. I did. But anyhow, so talk to me about what that is and why it's beneficial.

 

Mike (24:05):
Yeah. And it's funny, NAD is one that actually technically is not a peptide.

 

Kami (24:09):
Oh, okay.

 

Mike (24:11):
But it's often associated with everything peptide related right now because... Or not right now, but it's largely an injectable. You can find it in pill form as well. I was at HEB and found NAD, and you'll see it actually in Costco now. I was at Costco and saw NAD pills. And no idea if the benefits are equal to an injection, but we offer prescription NAD and it comes to you from a pharmacy. NAD basically supports metabolic health and it supports your cells. If I were to give it simply, it supports your cell's ability to convert food into energy. And energy then gives your brain strength. It gives you strength. It helps your... I mean, with a lot of things. And I was prescribed, I couldn't believe the dose. It was pretty heavy. And I'm not a giant guy by any means, but injecting 50 units of anything is always a little concerning. And that's what it was recommended daily.

 

Eva (25:17):
A day?

 

Mike (25:18):
A day.

 

Eva (25:18):
Every day.

 

Kami (25:18):
Every day. That was my next question. I'm like, because I'm used to a once a week, and I did do daily injections because I did HCG a hundred years ago and it worked great. It just was not a good long-term solution, but it worked well while I had -

 

Eva (25:33):
Well, what were you taking that for?

 

Kami (25:35):
Well, because I was fat before too.

 

Eva (25:38):
Oh, me too.

 

Mike (25:41):
Me too.

 

Kami (25:43):
No, this was like 15 years ago probably, and I lost a bunch of weight on it and I kept it off for a really long time. And then you get older and life happens and you meet a great man who makes delicious dinners and constantly serving you really amazing food and wine all the time, and you just enjoy that. And I did, and I have no regrets. But anyhow, so daily injections with NAD, really?

 

Mike (26:12):
It's by choice though. I mean, if you want to have that support, you don't have to inject it daily to have it have effects. It's more of a...

 

Kami (26:19):
Yeah.

 

Mike (26:20):
It's not like some... Because there are peptides, especially on the research side that I hear claims made that people who go down those roads really are not going to see effect from those things unless you have regular injections for months at a time.

 

Kami (26:36):
For a really long time.

 

Mike (26:38):
And that's where people can wave the placebo flag and say, "Is that really you... I mean, is this just you doing something so purposefully by injecting yourself for such a long period of time that you're forcing yourself to take better care of yourself?" And that's where people can say, "Well, maybe this stuff isn't real."

 

Kami (26:57):
Yeah, but anybody that gets supplements, let's say even multivitamins or B12 or D or calcium or whatever, any doctor will tell you, you have to be on that religiously for six months before you're really going to start to see the benefit of it. So to me, that doesn't sound any different than I'm going to start taking a biotin supplement and my nails aren't going to start growing longer till six -

 

Eva (27:24):
I take all kinds of stuff every day. I just don't inject it.

 

Mike (27:28):
Right.

 

Eva (27:29):
What's the difference?

 

Mike (27:29):
Well, yeah, you're absolutely right. Now, the injection side though, when you start doing that, you're doing something very, like I said before, purposeful. You are taking that step. And so you have a higher propensity probably to take better care of yourself. And if you're going to take that step, I know with GLPs, the minute I started doing it, I'm like, "Well, maybe I don't..." It's like first I didn't want to eat, but then I'm like, "Why don't I put good things in my body now that I'm taking this step?" And I think a lot of people find that and have life changes that are beneficial all the way through. What we're talking about is kind of a lifestyle where you're putting pieces together and making things work together, and NAD is one of those that helps a lot of things.

 

Kami (28:11):
Yeah.

 

Eva (28:11):
I like what you're saying there because recently I had this revelation that some of the things I do... It was in the book, Atomic Habits. When I read it, I understood the concept of habit stacking, but I didn't really understand it truly until basically right now, because at night I have to take magnesium or I'm going to have a really bad day tomorrow. And so that one habit turned into all the other supplements. They're easy to take now because of the one that I got used to taking. And I have all these other habit stacks all over the place now. And so it's much easier to add something to something you're already doing than to add something completely net new.

 

Kami (28:56):
Yeah.

 

Mike (28:56):
I saw something the other day. It was one of the podcasts, or not a podcast, but a YouTube channel my son was watching, and the kid behind them, they're really into gymnastics and this and that. And the kid has a sign behind him that says, "Make yourself 1% better every day." I was like, "How simple is that? 100 days though and

 

Kami (29:18):
That's great.

 

Mike (29:19):
And that kind of goes along that same though, and it's like that little bit every day does make a difference.

 

Kami (29:26):
Absolutely.

 

Mike (29:27):
Some of the topics we discuss on the site are on these peptides that are going to become available through pharmacy. And so what I want to do is educate, put together some resources there, and some are also available currently. What we offer on Epic's TRX is it's coming to you from a pharmacy, from a compound pharmacy, it's going to be telehealth driven, so you have a telehealth intake, but it comes to you with a prescribed vial, with a dosing schedule, with everything. The same as going to see your doctor.

 

Kami (30:03):
I really like that part. The intake questionnaire that you have is extremely thorough, which I personally really loved because it made me feel like you guys really want to know about me. And if I'm requesting something that maybe I shouldn't be taking, somebody's going to look at that and say, "Hey girl, this ain't for you." And that means because it was so thorough, you're protecting me, not just being like, "Oh, we're just going to ask her the minimum questions that we have to have according to the FDA to just pass this on and take her money." So that was a level of care that I really appreciated.

 

Mike (30:45):
Well, thank you for saying that. Yeah. It's something that we feel is important.

 

Eva (30:49):
I didn't pay her to say that.

 

Mike (30:50):
Yeah. What was that, Ethan?

 

Eva (30:53):
I said I didn't pay her to say that.

 

Mike (30:55):
Nor did I. Nor did I.

 

Kami (30:58):
It's honest review here, boys and girls.

 

Mike (30:59):
But something else along those lines though, is we look at different services we can offer there that help you get to where you want to be. And one of those is also DNA testing. A lot of people don't know what they're deficient in. Until you know what you need, how do you know what you need? So if you're just throwing darts at what the problem might be, why don't you look at your DNA? And so we offer up at-home services there. It's pretty cool actually. It's just you spit in a vial. They send it to you, you spit in a vial, you send it back.

 

Kami (31:31):
And does that test cover just medical stuff?

 

Mike (31:36):
It's all types of symptoms, whatever. And you'll see, I think there's 20 something different offerings that are all priced the same at $199 for the package.

 

Kami (31:48):
For the test? That's not bad.

 

Mike (31:49):
Yeah. And some of them cover multiple, so you don't need to do... Some of them cover four or five different topics. So look at it first and take a look. And if you have questions, by all means, reach out.

 

Kami (31:59):
Yeah, I will look at that because my mom said, the Debra, recommended to me that I get tested for the MTFR gene.

 

Mike (32:13):
Yeah, that's a good one.

 

Kami (32:13):
I don't know if she was positive for it. I don't remember, but she's like, "You just got to get tested." She's just been telling me about it. And so maybe I'll just go ahead and do that and get a note.

 

Mike (32:22):
That could change your life to find out that you -

 

Kami (32:24):
Really? Yeah.

 

Mike (32:25):
It could absolutely change your life. I know that firsthand, not from my firsthand, but from one that I hold every night, that somebody who... It changed her life to know that. And that was done through DNA testing.

 

Kami (32:38):
Nice. All right. Well, I will probably pull the trigger on that and keep you guys posted on my results.

 

Eva (32:46):
We got to talk about something really important now.

 

Kami (32:48):
Oh, okay. What?

 

Eva (32:50):
Fat Amy. We got to talk about Fat Amy.

 

Kami (32:52):
Fat Amy?

 

Mike (32:55):
That's why I was really here.

 

Kami (32:58):
He's like, "We were just bullshitting for the last 30 minutes."

 

Mike (33:02):
Exactly. Now we're down to brass tacks.

 

Kami (33:04):
Yeah.

 

Eva (33:06):
Okay. I'm just going to show you who that is. All right. So just give me a couple seconds here. You call yourself Fat Amy? Yes. Twig bitches like you don't go behind my back. Can you read music? Yeah. Can you match pitch? Try me. This might be my favorite part of the whole movie. We watch this movie a lot actually.

 

Kami (33:35):
She doesn't even look fat to me.

 

Eva (33:37):
She looks normal to me too, but in Hollywood she's really fat.

 

Kami (33:40):
Oh yeah, for sure. But I'm like, "Girl, that girl just loves life and she eats some donuts and has some frappuccinos every morning. Do your thing, girl."

 

Eva (33:51):
Yes. This is Rebel Wilson and poor Rebel. The whole world watches her weight like any fat actress. Everyone feels like they can comment on... Well, I think that's all actresses actually. People can comment on your body, whether you've had surgery, no surgery, did you gain a pound, lose a pound? What did you wear? The whole world picks them apart.

 

Kami (34:11):
Are you bloated? Are you pregnant? Is that a baby bump? No, bitch. I ate some pasta.

 

Eva (34:16):
Yep. Yep. So she said yesterday in the news, she said she takes GLPs from time to time because she loves sweets. And I think this is completely okay. So if she takes them for a while and then she stops because she wants to enjoy food again.

 

Kami (34:32):
Hey.

 

Eva (34:33):
That's fine.

 

Kami (34:34):
I'm not even mad about it.

 

Eva (34:35):
Not judging her.

 

Kami (34:38):
No. And that's the thing is like, well, if the stuff's here to help you, not to shame you, that isn't what this should be about. It should be like, "Hey, here's the thing that will help you get a little healthier. You want to hop off the wagon? Great. You want to hop back on? Awesome. I've done it. You guys all know I've done it."

 

Eva (34:56):
Yep. I haven't, but that's because I like myself a lot better without food noise and I don't care about food that much.

 

Kami (35:04):
Yeah. I still care. I'll be straight with you.

 

Eva (35:08):
Well then, so Chrissy Metz from This Is Us, also very, very large, really just known for being obese, which I don't know anything else about her.

 

Kami (35:19):
She's gorgeous though. Look at her.

 

Eva (35:20):
She is. And she's a great actress. That show was so good and it was good because it had real characters in it like her. So then I sort of wondered as GLP once came out, do people like this? Of course they go get it. Whether they're famous or not, this is the best thing that's ever happened to those of us who've struggled with weight. And so she is in the news on... I don't watch entertainment tonight. I just read about it talking about what a great thing it's done for her, but I haven't seen any pictures of her small yet because for a long time she said she wasn't going to do it.

 

Kami (35:55):
Yeah. It kind of makes me wonder when there's some people out there that are like, "Well, I'm fat and this is who I am and this is how I like myself and you don't like it." Which I'm not mad about that attitude either. You know what I mean? Because it's all very deeply -

 

Eva (36:06):
And if you're known for being a fat actress and that's your character that you play as fat girls, then you'd lose your job if you get skinny.

 

Kami (36:14):
Right. So it's like, I don't know. I think she's amazing and gorgeous and regardless of what the scale is and that's just how I feel about it. So I just feel like do you and be who you are and "bleep" everyone else.

 

Eva (36:34):
Yep. I had a lot of F bombs today. I'm going to have to write a big note to the editor. There's going to be like 17 bleeps.

 

Mike (36:44):
I was watching a couple shopping just briefly. I was passing by them at the aisle in Costco and buying different things that I wouldn't buy, but they look so happy together and they were not in good shape. I mean, I thought to myself, it's like these folks could certainly health-wise be doing better for themselves, but they're so happy together. I thought now there's zero wrong with that. If those folks wanted to get healthier though and have a better life and lifestyle, if that's something they wanted, then I think to myself also, it's like there are such opportunities now to not only truly lose weight, but give yourself just an opportunity to... It's been made so much more easy.

 

Kami (37:32):
Yeah, it has.

 

Mike (37:32):
And it's been shamed at first. I don't think that's going to stay though. I don't think that shaming is going to stick around. It is odd though. I can always say this, I know that some of your episodes have talked about this and you guys talk about this quite a few gals talk about this quite a bit, that it's like you can tell when someone has gone through this transformation because people look at me differently. I was 240, I'm 180 now.

 

Kami (37:57):
How tall are you?

 

Mike (37:59):
6'1".

 

Kami (38:00):
Oh, okay. So 180 and 6'1", that's svelte.

 

Mike (38:05):
I work really hard at it now though too. And I guess you're bringing me to a good point though is you could be super deficient in everything you do and not eat and be really unhealthy. And those are the folks that will give all this a bad name.

 

Kami (38:21):
Yeah, they call them fat skinny people.

 

Mike (38:23):
Exactly. And if you take care of yourself, you eat well, you exercise, you make sure you're getting enough protein, all those things, then they haven't really pointed out negatives to this whole thing. And there's some other drugs coming out with retatrutide and that when they come through with it, the studies are just fascinating, what they're doing for fatty liver disease. It's showing, I see over and over again these reports. I'm not claiming them, but I see these reports that fatty liver disease is the only thing that's ever reversed symptoms of fatty liver disease, reversing it.

 

Kami (38:59):
That's exciting. That's really exciting.

 

Mike (39:00):
And who knows what else? So I mean, these are things that could truly benefit a huge population. If they're truly healthier because of it, there's nothing wrong there and it's not going to be a drag in the system. It's not going to be...

 

Kami (39:14):
Yeah. And this is something that I've said before and it bears repeating. For me, it is not a vanity thing. It really isn't. I don't care, but I have a little girl that wants her mama to live for as long as possible and I'm not going to cry about it, but that's what's motivating me now. Before it was like, "Oh, I want to be sexy and hot and be in the club and twerk and do all the things." I may have done that, but anyways, for me, it's longevity, not, "Oh my God, I'm going to be 47 next month and this is sagging and that's jiggling and I don't give a... Literally do not care." That's the gift of perimenopause. The only good thing is that you just lose your ability to give a shit. But I want to, especially being an older mom, I got a nine-year-old, I'm almost 47.

 

(40:25):
I don't want to be crapping out and in a fricking walker trying to get her down at her college graduation. I don't want to be doing that. So for me, that's the goal personally.

 

Eva (40:39):
I don't even let myself think about am I ever going to see my own grandkids? I just have to do everything in my power to make sure that I don't screw it up for myself. It's not really up to me. Only God knows when we're going to go, but I'm not going to screw around with the time that I have.

 

Kami (40:58):
Right. 100%.

 

Mike (40:59):
And for me, I'm 54, just turned 54 and I got an eight-year-old. I've also got three older kids on top of that. But the eight-year-old, he's got to have me active and I want to be active. I want to be active with it as a thing. And in order to maintain that, I've got to be working out. I've got to be taking care of myself. I've got to be eating well. I can't eat a half gallon of ice cream because I'll wake up the next day so hungover from sugar. I can't even believe it.

 

Kami (41:26):
I got to know. I mean the dairy. How did you handle the dairy and you didn't shit your pants all the time?

 

Eva (41:31):
Flavor and what brand?

 

Mike (41:34):
It didn't matter.

 

Kami (41:34):
We have all the different questions.

 

Mike (41:35):
It didn't matter.

 

Eva (41:35):
All of them?

 

Mike (41:36):
I didn't matter.

 

Kami (41:37):
It was just like whatever. Yo had a go-to, Mike. There was a go-to that you're like, "This is the one."

 

Eva (41:42):
Today feels like a grater's black raspberry day.

 

Mike (41:46):
No, it was mainly caramel. Something caramel.

 

Eva (41:49):
Caramel.

 

Kami (41:50):
Are you like a butter pecan kind

 

Mike (41:52):
No.

 

Eva (41:53):
No?

 

Kami (41:53):
No.

 

Mike (41:54):
No, butter pecan's too rounded. I need that sharpness of caramel. And then - Salt.

 

Kami (41:58):
Yeah.

 

Mike (41:58):
Salt. Oh yeah, salt mixed in there. And then I discovered sorbet with... Oh, what's that? Oh, I'm forgetting what the spice is. The spicy tequila drinks with it.

 

Eva (42:13):
Oh, tahin?

 

Mike (42:13):
Tahin. Yeah. Tahin sorbet. I discovered that and I was like -

 

Kami (42:17):
This looks amazing.

 

Mike (42:18):
It was. It was. Oh my God. And my wife would wake up and find an empty quart or whatever size laying next to the bed.

 

Kami (42:26):
You're making love to it while she was sleeping.

 

Mike (42:27):
She's like, "You can't do this. You can't do this." And I'd be like, "I know. I'm miserable." And now I don't have the craving for it anymore.

 

Kami (42:34):
Now you're just like, "Okay, that's good."

 

Mike (42:36):
Yeah. And it doesn't require a daily shot for that. I mean, whatever. It's like... Yeah. I don't miss it.

 

Kami (42:44):
Wow. Wow. Well, that's awesome. That's really great. I'm so glad you were here. You're great.

 

Mike (42:51):
I'm thankful to be here too. Yeah. Not only on the show, but in general.

 

Kami (42:56):
You're always with us in spirit.

 

Eva (43:00):
Well, thank you for sharing the whole website thing with the audience for anyone who cares.

 

Mike (43:06):
If anybody out there listening has had frustration, it's on me. It's ultimately on me. I'm not going to put the finger somewhere else, but it's just like, man, trust me, I share in your frustrations and I hope to make it right. That's no joke. I mean, it was some frustrating times, believe me. And so anyway, thanks for the time here today.

 

Kami (43:23):
Onward and upward.

 

Eva (43:25):
Well, and thank you from me and Kami to the audience too, because we're trying to find a way to keep paying to produce the show. We both have full-time jobs. My full-time job is making podcasts, but I do still have to pay to make the podcast. I love doing it, but it's great if we get a few bucks here and there to help keep it going, and it helps us validate the reason that we do it in the first place.

 

Mike (43:53):
Well, channels like this and opportunities like this are exactly what I had in mind when I started doing this. I thought, wow, how great is this opportunity? I can share my story a little bit, which we only touched on briefly, and that's okay, but it's like I can share my story to help other people get better. How easy is this going to be? It's just going to be e-commerce. How hard can that be? Oh my goodness.

 

Kami (44:15):
Tell me how hard it can be, Michael.

 

Mike (44:17):
Yeah.

 

Kami (44:17):
Come on.

 

Mike (44:18):
I mean, I've got a day job too, and it wasn't doing this. I was like, "Wow." And to have it just be a source of frustration, I'm glad we're over that.

 

Kami (44:27):
Yes.

 

Mike (44:27):
And I'm really happy to be here. Seriously, it's fun to talk about this stuff. This is the side of it that I was looking forward to, so thank you.

 

Kami (44:32):
Good. All right. Well, we are counting on you too.

 

Eva (44:35):
We'll have you back.

 

Kami (44:36):
Yes. Keep your finger on the pulse and you call us, text us, smoke signals, carry your pigeons, send an owl. When there's something new we need to know about, you're going to be the guy.

 

Mike (44:48):
I'm all over it.

 

Kami (44:49):
Okay.

 

Eva (44:50):
Awesome. All right. Lessofyou.com/shop. Bye, Deborah. Yeah.

 

Kami (44:57):
Bye Maureen. Bye Nana.

 

Mike (45:00):
Bye-bye everybody.

 

Eva (45:06):
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