Have we replaced food noise with mom guilt?

Eva (00:00):
Well, here we are. Happy Friday.

Kami (00:02):
Yeah. You've been traveling, right?

Eva (00:08):
Yeah, we're done. I mean, I think we got back on the 13th, so we've been home for two weeks and I really like it. We usually are in Washington for our summer trip right now, and then we kind of get back and it's basically time to go back to school, but this has been way better to just have a few weeks. So we've been going to musicals and parties and swimming and water parks. We've just been having a good old time.

Kami (00:39):
Oh, that's good.

Eva (00:41):
Yeah. It took Kari to see the Bring It On musical the other night, which,

Kami (00:45):
How did that go?

Eva (00:46):
Well, it's not the same as the movie, and so I made the mistake of showing her the movie, which was made in the year 2000, and it has a lot of content that would not be considered socially acceptable to create right now is a little shocking.

Kami (01:06):
And that wasn't that long ago, I don't think. I'm like, oh yeah, 2000. That was just a few years ago. No, it was 25 years ago. 25. Oh my God.

Eva (01:14):
You remember the whole thing about the boy cheerleaders and where their hands end up under the girls' skirts?

Kami (01:20):
Yes.

Eva (01:21):
That's a recurring theme in this movie. And then the musical was written by Lin Manuel Miranda. So it all sounds a little bit like Moana and Canto Hamilton, and it has some very, I mean, the musical, I should look up what year it was written. It's got a lot of PC themes in it that weren't in the 2000 movie. So the musical is definitely a little woker than the movie.

Kami (01:59):
That's refreshing.

Eva (02:00):
But we had a good time. And then last night we saw Mary Poppins and they loved it except, I mean, it was a whole thing, cuz it's still a little too long for the five-year-old.

Kami (02:14):
Yeah.

Eva (02:15):
And she was starving, and so then she was standing up and yelling. She was hungry and we were in the fourth row.

Kami (02:26):
Wow.

Eva (02:29):
I know.

Kami (02:29):
God, I feel like I haven't woke up today. There's been so much going on. So my parents have been in town, and so we were out in Washington and then flew back, my mom flew back with us, and then dad came in three ago, Tuesday night he came. And so we've just been running around doing stuff and my mom didn't sleep that well last night and she's like, I'm really tired. I'm like, well, why don't I drop you at the hotel and then I'll bring Kordelia back later. And they're like, okay. So that's what we did today.

Eva (03:24):
They got a pool over there at the hotel?

Kami (03:25):
Yeah. It's kind of a cool little setup they have because the pool's only three and a half feet and it's an indoor pool and it's small, so it's nice that, I mean, Kordelia's an excellent swimmer. I don't have to worry about her at all, but it's nice for when she has friends that are not as good as swimmers as her.

Eva (03:51):
Oh, yeah. That happens to us a lot too. And I don't even think about my kids in the water. They're fine. They always have been. I haven't worried about them pretty much ever.

Kami (04:02):
Yeah, we never had, well, Kordelia worked or Justin worked with Kordelia a lot about teaching her how to swim. And for years he just would be out with her all summer and now she can just pretty much do whatever she wants. So when I have other people that are like, oh yeah, my 8-year-old or doesn't really know how to swim, I'm like, how do they not? You know what I mean? But I'm like, okay, well, I guess not everybody teaches their kids that, I don't know. But to be fair, Kordelia doesn't know how to tie her shoes or ride a bike yet.

Eva (04:46):
Yeah. We don't know how to ride a bike either.

Kami (04:49):
I'm like, okay, well.

Eva (04:50):
When you live on a busy street, we do. You can't No, just go outside and ride your bike and it's a hill.

Kami (04:58):
Well, here in our community, she could absolutely get on her bike and ride around everywhere and the other kids do, and we have it. We just haven't had the time. So we're talking about should we get her a new bike? So much taller now. I don't think the other one's going to work well, so we're talking about that .

Eva (05:19):
You can go to Walmart and just ride around the store on the bikes. I don't know if they'll let you do that, but that's what we do.

Kami (05:28):
So we'll probably have to go over there and get her something. Millie.

Eva (05:32):
My daughter's been looking a little bit heavy and I'm really sensitive about it, and it's really hard for me to not try to control what she's eating. On one hand, we have a part of our job is making sure they eat right, and on the other hand, I don't want to screw her up in the head, like I got screwed up in the head.

(06:00):
So yesterday I saw what she had on her plate for breakfast that my husband made her for breakfast. And it was two kolaches and a pile of chocolate chip pancakes, just basically all carbs and two little whatever. The little sausages were inside the kolaches. And I happened to, had already looked at the nutrition on the kolache bag earlier weeks ago, and I said to myself, never give her more than one of these. So there's two on the plate. So I pick one up and I put it in the kitchen. Fine should be done, but there's no fruit, no milk, really almost no protein. So then she walks in the kitchen and she goes, Hey, who took my kolache? And so we got into kind of a huge argument about why are you feeding her two kolaches and where's her fruit? And he's like, well, fruit's not even that good for you.

Kami (06:54):
Oh my God. It's better than all that.

Eva (06:58):
Have you read the label on the kolaches? Well, that's not real. That stuff doesn't really matter. Oh, okay. So anyway, last night at Mary Poppins were the girls are both in their pretty dresses waiting to go some, I don't remember where we were. And the little one says to the big one, you're fat.

Kami (07:25):
No.

Eva (07:26):
I said, she's not fat. That's just how she stands. She stands with her., she sticks her belly out. She stands like a little girl. She doesn't stand up straight. She just kind of stands like she stands at gymnastics, you know what I mean?

Kami (07:44):
Oh no.

Eva (07:45):
So they're already doing it and it's really hard. They're both really good athletes already. They're in great shape. They probably burn a gazillion calories a day. I don't know why she has a belly and I don't know what to do about it. And I'm stuck. I'm pretty sure eating two kolaches for breakfast with chocolate chip pancakes is not a good idea.

Kami (08:13):
That's a lot of food. Well, so we have a, which it's funny that you're talking about the, I told my parents, they're like, we're going to come over and bring donuts. I'm like, no, no, no, no. Don't bring the donuts. Go to the kolache store. There's like a chain here isn't just, and I was like, they're really good. They're going to be way better than donuts. And they're like, okay. So we get one. Kordelia had zero interest. None. I cut one in half and I said, look, we got the breakfast ones, eggs, bacon, cheese on the inside of it. And she had zero interest. And I'm like, well, more for me. They're delicious.

Eva (08:53):
Well, it really wasn't about what are we eating, it was about the size of the serving and this just constant pattern of putting too much food on her plate all the time.

Kami (09:06):
Does she feel like she has to finish her food?

Eva (09:09):
No. And she frequently doesn't.

Kami (09:14):
Okay.

Eva (09:14):
But I think it's more about having a pattern of knowing what's normal and not normal. I don't want to continue normalizing putting a ton of food on her plate and waiting for her to not finish it.

Kami (09:31):
Right. Yeah. Getting my daughter to eat enough is my challenge. I'm like, you need to eat more bites. Apparently there's a follow up to the Go the Fuck to Sleep book, called You Need to Fucking Eat.

Eva (09:49):
Oh, really?

Kami (09:50):
Yes. Oh, I need this. She doesn't have any problem getting down Oreos, ice cream, any of that stuff that goes down real easy. But I was just, okay, well, you need some protein so you can have, do you want a hot dog? Bacon? She does sometimes she'll do hard salami. She'll do sausage. She loves chicken. She'll eat all kinds of chicken. But it's almost like I have to be like, okay, eat this part and then you can have this other, but

Eva (10:29):
Yes, you can have five chicken nuggets. That's fine. Don't take 10, have five. If you're still hungry, come back and get another two. Let's not start with 10.

Kami (10:41):
Right? Yeah. Yeah. I would just maybe start with more manageable size portions. I mean, because, for a 7-year-old,

Eva (11:00):
For me, I made a rule where I just won't put her food on anything but a kid's plate because, and then it doesn't look like I didn't give her enough food. If it's on an adult size plate or a paper plate, then there's white space and it. But really, how many of these crazy rules are from my own life and my own dysfunction crashing down on me now and then?

Kami (11:30):
Well, it is really hard to not protect your own shit on your kids. It's really difficult.

Eva (11:37):
Yeah. Well, okay. That's really what happened was that in the midst of this kolache fight, he said, you're going to end up just like your mom.

Kami (11:49):
Oh, no.

Eva (11:52):
Yeah.

Kami (11:52):
That's not the right thing to say ever.

Eva (11:55):
Pretty much, no.

Kami (11:55):
Anybody that's listening don't ever, that's not good.

Eva (12:04):
It's also not true.

Kami (12:07):
Right. Yeah.

Eva (12:11):
Did she do some stuff that was not right? Yeah. But was she trying her best? Yes, she was.

Kami (12:18):
And she didn't know any different. It's just not,

Eva (12:24):
I don't even know what right is. I got on the scale this morning myself just because I haven't in quite a while, and I was at 187 and I recently was thinking about the last time I saw someone who I used to work with and really love. And I remember when I saw him, there's a picture of this day that I saw him, and I was at 240 and I was so proud of myself for being at 240. And here I am at 180 7 and I'm like, oh, I still have 17 to go and I'm not happy. I mean, I'm happy enough. I'm fine.

Kami (13:06):
Yeah. Yeah. I gained some weight just over the last probably a month, maybe five pounds. I don't know. Maybe it's been longer than that. But again, I talked last time tracking. I'm not doing the stuff I really need to do, which when I was being really successful, it was because was being more cognizant about what I was eating and putting in my food app and keeping track of the, okay, well, I've had 15, 1700 calories, so probably I don't need to drink that 200 calorie glass of wine or whatever. So that is, I just got to start doing that more.

Eva (14:00):
I'm so excited for school to start because they will all be out the door at seven o'clock in the morning every single day. What am I going to do with all this free time?

Kami (14:11):
I keep forgetting your husband's a teacher and that he's off. That would make me insane if I had two kids and a husband not. He'll be like, and you had to work all the time, and then they were just fucking around. I'd be like, go fuck around in another place because I can't with you. That would make me insane, especially if he was like, I'm just going to take a nap.

Eva (14:44):
A lot of naps and a lot of, you know, I kind of look around and I go, why am I still doing the dishes and the laundry or,

Kami (14:57):
That's one thing about my husband is when he wasn't working, he kept the house way cleaner than I ever possibly could. He didn't do my laundry, but he did all of Kordelia, his and Kordelia's laundry, and he kept the kitchen in order. I am not good at that. I'm getting better, but that's rough. Speaking of jobs, I have a line on a job.

Eva (15:21):
Oh, good.

Kami (15:25):
So I reached out to a friend of mine that I worked with at Offer Pad, and we were just talking, and she's the director of operations for this company, and we got onto the subject of work and she said something about needing a transaction coordinator. I'm like, well, hire me. I'm ready. I not doing this other thing I was doing, so I'm going to talk with her on Monday. She's like, I don't know if we can offer you that much money, as much as I was making before. And I'm like, well, I've been making $0 for quite a while, so I think I'll be okay. I was like, and if I work from home and I don't have to buy a new wardrobe to go into the office and I don't have to drive anywhere, that counts for a lot.

Eva (16:15):
A lot. I know.

Kami (16:15):
A lot. And it was like, for what it's worth, I don't need any benefits. I get everything I need from Justin at Walmart. And I was like, some vacation time would be nice, and a 401k would be great, but it's not a deal breaker. And she's like, okay,

Eva (16:33):
That's good. That makes you very attractive as a hire. I don't need anything. Please hire me.

Kami (16:40):
Right. So that's why I'm kind of like, okay. And I think it would be like, because I wouldn't be doing anything really customer facing, the hours would be more flexible. So I feel like, okay, I could take Kordelia down to the bus stop and wait for 15 minutes to get her on the bus and in the afternoon, and that's not going to be a huge problem. I'm worried about somebody calling me and I'm going to miss a phone call and my manager will be like, well, you missed this call. What were you doing? Like that? So that's nice. So we'll see. I mean, she and I are very good friends and we kind of went through a lot of the same things. This company, we worked out together, and so she knows me, she knows my abilities. So as far as skills, getting the job, not even really going to be like, oh, will they hire me or not? If she wants me, I'm hired. So it just depends on how much she can offer me, but she's like, well, I'm going to talk with the CEO about it. Okie dokie.

Eva (17:49):
I'm conditioned if when I hear the word abilities to say and skills like Nunchuck skills, ninja skills. Nunchuck skills.

Kami (17:56):
Yep, yep.

Eva (17:57):
We have quite a few new projects starting and two of them are in the addiction and recovery space, so branching out over here on the podcast front and really excited about it going to be really different.

Kami (18:14):
Oh, that's really cool. Hang on just a second. I got to message The Debra.

Eva (18:22):
Tell her you're busy.

Kami (18:26):
Click, click. There we go. I thought I sent my phone to do not disturb, but apparently not in here.

Eva (18:36):
That's okay. Well that's really cool. So tell me about that and what does that look like? What format are you thinking?

Kami (18:50):
Well, it's really similar to picking a doctor. When you are about to go to rehab, inpatient rehab, you're committing to at least 28 days of going inside, leaving your life behind to try to get clean. That's a really stressful thing to do. And so if you're going to do it, I think your predominant feeling is, if I'm going to do this at better work, I don't want to do this and fail.

(19:15):
The Debra says, hi, she wants me to say, tell her Debra says, hi. Everyone listening, The Debra says hello. Sorry. Continue.

Eva (19:23):
I love you, Debra. Okay, so you want to know who's going to be inside this facility? We have a really nice opportunity to take people inside to meet who they're going to work with to try to get clean and sober. And the audiences are, there's so many different audiences. So in one of them, I think we're probably going to be speaking to the person themselves, the addict who's trying to get clean. And the other one, which I am a little more passionate about, I think is to the parent of the child or the young adult who is an addict and asking the question, is my son an addict or is my daughter an addict? And the really shocking part of doing this work is that there is no one I know who hasn't been affected by this in some way.

Kami (20:16):
Oh yeah, totally. Well, both my parents are recovered alcoholics. They haven't drank in 35 years, 37, 38, something like that forever. I love this whole idea. If there's anything I can do to help or. I'm down to ask questions, interview people, you just let me know. Happy to help. I was married to an alcoholic for 13 years, so I have that.

Eva (20:49):
I mean, that's what I mean when I say I don't know anyone who's not touched by this issue.

Kami (20:53):
I quit a job because the guy was an alcoholic.

Eva (20:57):
Oh, that was our last episode.

Kami (20:59):
That was this. So yeah, I love this. I love the idea of interviewing the providers and getting their why I do this because whatever that answer is now, whether it's I had this in my personal life or I just really enjoy helping people or through my own sobriety journey,

Eva (21:30):
That's the predominant way, the way people get into this, that's the predominant way is that they've already gone through it themselves and then they, it's almost like the trainer who loses weight, and then I mean the fat person who loses weight and becomes a trainer because they need it to be their life so they don't go back.

Kami (21:51):
Yeah. There was somebody I was talking to now, I can't remember. There's some conversation that just came into my brain about a guy talking about helping people with addictions, and he's like, it's almost impossible to be able to help people with addiction problems if you haven't yourself had an addiction issue or don't have somebody really close to you like a parent that had an addiction issue. It's not usual for somebody to just be like, I want to do this for a living, and addictions never touched my life. You know what I'm saying? So it was just, I dunno why that came in my mind.

Eva (22:39):
Well, I have two, really three, the food thing is that was an addiction we explored on this podcast. This is about what happens when there's less of you and what's left? Well, I think any addiction, the addiction's still there, and now we're kind of in recovery. Like you and I explore how we're recovering from that this way, and I didn't need, well, I did need medical intervention. It just happened to be medication and not therapy. I probably should go to therapy.

Kami (23:12):
I was like, we probably both should go.

Eva (23:14):
Well, I do. I just didn't go for this reason. I went for lots of other reasons.

Kami (23:20):
Maybe we need to find a food addiction specialist therapist that can come on the show and talk to us about psychologically what happens and

Eva (23:32):
Yeah, we do

Kami (23:33):
In conjunction with, we should absolutely do that. I think that would be really, really fascinating and insightful.

Eva (23:39):
Well, I can make that happen. My old friend, Dr. Misra, she is an obesity medicine specialist. She was really busy last time I talked to her, but I'll find out if she's around.

Kami (23:51):
Yeah, that would be really cool. And get somebody on like that and say, this is what's happening to you emotionally, and this is what's happening to you physiologically and in your brain chemistry and all the things.

Eva (24:07):
Yeah. And then my other two, I smoked from about 18 to 35.

Kami (24:12):
Did you really? That's one thing that I am so proud of myself that I never fucking did is picked up a cigarette ever. Never.

Eva (24:22):
Really?

Kami (24:23):
No. Now I smoked weed.

Eva (24:23):
My precious. If you told me it was okay to smoke again, I'd go to the store right now.

Kami (24:32):
Yeah. So no, to me, it just didn't. I was like, man, I was like, I don't need a fucking cigarette. I need a cheeseburger. Hi.

Eva (24:45):
Yeah. Well, they always say when you stop smoking that you're going to gain a bunch of weight.

Kami (24:51):
Yeah. Well, it happened to my mom.

Eva (24:53):
Yeah. And it's true. For me, it was very gradual. It was like less than a pound a month, but then 10 or 15 years go by and that's a lot over time. It wasn't a little, yeah.

Kami (25:10):
I'm so sorry. My bird is so annoying.

Eva (25:13):
It's okay.

Kami (25:14):
Well, it's storming outside and I think she's kind of like, you know how birds are so sensitive with the magnetic fields and all

Eva (25:23):
The barometric pressures?

Kami (25:25):
Oh my God, I'm so sorry. Editors.

Eva (25:27):
Okay, bird, we'll let you have the floor bird. It's okay. I have an asinine amount of work to do and it's 2:30 on Friday, so I should go do it.

Kami (25:42):
Total side note, and I'm going to try not to get upset. Oh, fuck is my niece, my husband's brother's stepdaughter. He's been married to her mom 18 years and she's 20.

Eva (26:15):
Okay. So her dad.

Kami (26:18):
Basically, I mean, she still has a relationship with her father. She was in a very, very bad car accident a couple of days ago.

Eva (26:31):
Oh, no.

Kami (26:34):
We're not sure how she's even alive.

Eva (26:36):
Oh my God.

Kami (26:39):
This happened in Coeur d'Alene where she lives, they don't know what happened or what caused this. She was speeding. She drifted across the center line. She flew head on into a farm truck, crushed the whole left side of her head, cracked sternum her, she's getting, what did they tell me? Today's update is not great. Let's see. She's getting a tracheotomy and her mouth wired shut, so they need to remove the ventilator, but there's so much damage to her palate and her cheekbones and her jaw that basically the ventilator is what's holding her face together. And this girl is stunning.

Eva (27:35):
Oh, no,

Kami (27:35):
Stunning. Yeah. Several crushed bones, crushed cheekbone. Her palate is significantly separated and will collapse once the ventilator is removed.

Eva (27:47):
Is she still in Coeur d'Alene or did they move her?

Kami (27:48):
No, they had to airlift her from Coe d'Alene all the way to Seattle. She's in Harborview, at least that's where, so they'd be wiring her mouth shut. This is the first of many surgeries. The next one would be scheduled for Wednesday where they're going to try to repair her palate, which will require plates and screws.

Eva (28:09):
Oh, how terrible.

Kami (28:10):
Yeah. Angiogram scheduled for Monday. Don't have a time yet. They also need, I'm shaking talking about this. They want to check her artery that runs the left side of her orbital eye area and along her neck, they couldn't get a good image through the CT scan that they did. And then she has a brain bleed.

Eva (28:36):
I'm sorry, Kam.

Kami (28:37):
So I'm like, I was literally just with her parents when I was in Washington a week ago, two weeks ago. So, because my husband called me and he's like, her name's Brenna. So if anybody wants to say a prayer for Brenna, please do. She 20 years old and she is an aesthetician and she's just living her 20-year-old best life. So I was just for sure that she had died. I was like, she, because my husband had called and he doesn't ever just call me when he's at work. He doesn't ever,

Eva (29:31):
No, you knew something was wrong.

Kami (29:33):
Right. He's calling me and I'm like, it's odd. It does happen every once in a while, but it's not common. And I could just immediately tell by the tone of his voice that something was way, way wrong. And he's like, Diane is her mom and Mickey's her stepdad, which is my husband's brother. He's like, Mickey and Diane are hauling ass from Maple Valley. If anybody knows the Seattle area, they're in Maple Valley to Coeur d'Alene, which is six hour drive. They got about halfway when they were informed that she was, being airlifted, air flighted.

Eva (30:14):
So they turned around?

Kami (30:19):
And he said, he's like, we don't really know anything. We just know that it's bad. And that just, to me, that means I was like, oh, it's because they don't want to tell the parents that she died until they get to the hospital or whatever. That's what I was convinced myself of. And they're like, but she is responding to some neurological testing and I think she's somewhat responsive, but she's basically in a coma. So I can't.

Eva (30:52):
That's going to be a long road for them.

Kami (30:54):
Oh, completely. Absolutely. She's going to need, this could be years if she may or not even fully recover. Like physically I don't think that she will. It's not like, oh, she's just going to get a surgery and she's going to bounce back in six months. She'll be fine. Millie, oh my God, I'm going to open the window so you can just fly away. So yeah,

Eva (31:25):
I am so sorry to hear it.

Kami (31:27):
Anybody out there listening wants to say a prayer for Ms. Brenna, please do. I don't think she's in really critical care in the sense that they're worried that she's not going to make it. I think we are out of those woods, but just barely.

Eva (31:49):
Right.

Kami (31:50):
So anyways, I didn't mean to bring the mood down, but that's just what I am going through and what is happening and yeah.

Eva (32:01):
Thank you for telling me.

Kami (32:02):
Yeah. Well, I always like talking to you about all kinds of stuff.

Eva (32:07):
Does anybody like listening to us talk about it?

Kami (32:12):
I know, I don't think it matters. I just think we do this and if somebody is getting something from it, whatever. Great.

Eva (32:17):
Yeah, it's not,

Kami (32:19):
That's fine.

Eva (32:20):
Ashley, who I had on to talk about her surgery after her weight loss, that we hit an all time download record. So we're going to have to have Ashley back again, and my whole team is really excited for you to meet her cuz she's so cool.

Kami (32:33):
Oh yeah. Love to.

Eva (32:35):
There's another person, her name is Rebekah, and she was on one of our other shows talking about her surgery, but she lost all her weight after gastric bypass, so I asked her if she would come talk to us, and she was like, absolutely. So I think it'd be interesting to have that conversation with Rebekah about how different her experience was going that route and not medication.

Kami (33:02):
Totally. Yeah. Amazing. Yep.

Eva (33:05):
Good stuff.

Kami (33:06):
Get it scheduled, girl. Do it.

Eva (33:07):
Okay. I'm on it.

Kami (33:08):
Okay.

Eva (33:10):
Don't get a job so we can just record whenever. Okay, thanks. Appreciate it.

Kami (33:15):
We take donations. Who wants to sponsor us? So Kami doesn't have to work, can we?

Eva (33:20):
Yeah. Well, I have the ads turned on. I'm sorry, audience, but I'll tell you how much we get from the ads. It's like $26 a month.

Kami (33:33):
I don't even think that covers the internet that we use to record.

Eva (33:37):
It doesn't. It doesn't. It costs more to edit the episode than it does than we're getting back in the, but that's okay.

Kami (33:46):
That's great.

Eva (33:47):
We appreciate you listening through the ads so that we can make seven cents.

Kami (33:52):
Keep on people. You got to start somewhere.

Eva (33:57):
Yeah, we are open to sponsorship. If you're listening and you're like, I would love to sponsor this show.

Kami (34:02):
Oh, speaking of getting smaller, this is not my wedding ring. I will show it to you.

Eva (34:11):
Yeah, I finally got spacers. Did you see them on the

Kami (34:16):
No. You had to get spacers?

Eva (34:17):
I got these little, they look like little

Kami (34:20):
Oh yeah.

Eva (34:20):
Old school phone cords. They're great.

Kami (34:23):
Here's my wedding ring.

Eva (34:27):
Yes. This is the queen of hearts ring. Gotcha.

Kami (34:31):
Kind of. Yeah. So it's an Oregon sunstone. That's why it's so beautiful. And then it's rose gold, and my husband designed the whole thing and it was way too big. It's still a little bit big for now, but I'm like, well, how much skinnier can my finger get? I don't,

Eva (34:49):
Probably not much.

Kami (34:50):
I'm like, it's already like a six and a half. I was like, but anyway, so I had my ring sized by the original jeweler that made it years ago when I was back in Washington. So the Harrisons Diamonds and Designs in Ephrata Washington, in case anybody wants to know

Eva (35:08):
There is something in Ephrata.

Kami (35:10):
No, that's about it. That's about the most glamorous thing there. Yeah. Yeah.

Eva (35:18):
We had a great time in Washington, and when we get there, I'm always like, this is going to be so long. It was 10 days. And I was like, how am I going to get through this? And then at the end I'm like, oh, went by so fast.

Kami (35:31):
Yeah, it does. That's why you just got to enjoy every day, even if it sucks. All right, friend.

Eva (35:38):
All right. Love you bunches.

Kami (35:40):
I love you too.

Eva (35:41):
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